MEANING OF THE WORD GOD Gary F. York (gfyork@mchsi.com) wrote: >Homer, >I'm not sure that you and I have a substantive dispute, here. Part of >it is likely because I 'ridge' on the use of the word God. Of course, I understand, I would like to indicate that this is because you bring a compulsive definition to the table when the word is used, one that you are not immediately freely able to get rid of. A good way to strip a word bare of its meaning is to simply repetitively list its meaning. "What does God mean to you?" Run it until God means nothing at all, new word, never heard it before. Then look at other definitions in use, see if they are USEFULL, not correct. I was raised >a Baptist and, as the son of a Baptist minister, church attendance, >three times weekly, plus added 'fellowship meetings' and revival >meetings were mandatory. Ick. So I'm very aware of the baggage I >discarded and just how very much baggage can be dragged along with the >concept, _and_likely_is, by a great many people. The legend is that >Hubbard chose to use the word thetan rather than soul just to avoid such >a baggage train. A wise choice, with regard to me anyway. Yes, but when talking to normal people, they don't want to hear that God doesn't exist. At least not up front, because what THEY mean by that is we are all meatballs, when in fact what does exist is so much more than what they thought of as God. So my approach is to elevate the definition of God upwards, rather than try to delete it and not have a better word handy to replace it. >The issue with the Pilot's 'Principles' was the difficulty of >determining just how much 'baggage', if any, he was including with his >use of the word, and if so, why. I know he'd been hanging with the >"Science of Mind" crowd and there were, in some earlier communication, >hints that he was adopting ever more of that viewpoint; knowing little >of the religion, I was curious where he was at, now, because >'Principles' surely seemed _very_ religious. Define religious. Do you have baggage here? How about spirit, spiritual, divine, divinity? >I don't really have a problem with anyone using the word God in any way >that they please -- their choice. But if they're trying to communicate >to me, it's way helpful to know just what the hell they mean by the >word. Because, as we've already discussed, it's meaning varies all over >the map. "The existence of a multi faceted operating actuality is self evident. This actuality is the AllThatIs, outside of which there is nothing. The AllThatIs has two operating states, sleep and dream. Consciousness of anything is dream time. The AllThatIs can therefore manifest as a conscious being. However that being can manifest as many beings should it choose to do so, thus we say the AllThatIs is a conscious multi being. We call the AllThatIs God, for want of a better word, with the note that where others would say that God is the great I AM, we would say that God is a multi I AM being, and that life as we know it is God in carnation, and each human being is an instantiation of God, one I AM of that multi I AM being." >I don't have anything like that problem with your use of 'AllThatIs' or >'High Us'. No problem then, God = High US plus the underlying substrate that connects us all called Source. >I think I pretty much understand what you're referring to when you use >the words, 'AllThatIs' or 'High Us'. Mostly. But when you equate those >terms with the word 'God' then I begin to wonder if I'm missing >something. Since the equating is BY DEFINTION, you can be missing nothing. Particularly (and here rises the 'group consciousness' >speculation), I begin to wonder if by 'High Us' you're not also hinting >at _higher_ than Us. This would be a problem with the Adorian use of the word "High". It means roughtly 'ultimate', or nothing higher. 'High Prayer from Adore' "Oh Gorgeous and most Excaliper Lord, Master of Magnifence and Respect, of Tragedy and Travesty, Miracle and Majesty, and Keeper of the Golden Temper, Idol and Worhipper of All Things, I behail thee with fair chosen glory, and High Alleluiahs, forever, for free." "The Golden Key to the Kingdom of the Golden Temper" Tragedy and travesty, romance and sin, Miracles and majesty, that's where I've been. Miracles in Majesty, romance and song, Tragedy and travesty, that's where I've gone. The fact I am still here, is proof don't you see, In the omni long run, it's better to Be. Halcyon and Trill, HIGH Cool and romance, Class and free fancy, power the dance. Pride is our willingness, our willingness to BE, I ADORE me forever, forever for free." "True confessional form" "Do it again. Own up. Suffer the mercy and majesty of the HIGH GROUP. Accept all proper amnesties coming your way. If you can afford, grant a few of your own. Breath easy." "Hello" "There is only one group, the HIGH-US. The HIGH US forgives the HIGH US. so What to do with Shame and Shambles? Pride them, silly. They need gentle loving care, like little puppies. It's not their fault you are in trouble. GENTLE means GENerous Tender Loving Excellence. Of course. GENEROUS means YOU GENERATE it For EVER For FREE. TENDER means to TEND TO with MASTER WORSHIP. LOVE is DESIRE to EXPRESS RESPECT for ADMIRAL. ADMIRAL means LIVE HIGH BEAUTY. GORGE means to FILL to SATISFACTION. GORGEOUS means DELICIOUSLY SATISFYING. DESIRE is ALWAYS to GORGE out on GORGEOUSNESS. LOVING means DESIRE to OCCASION and ADVENT GORGING on GORGEOUSNESS. EXCELLENCE means HIGH OUT-CLASS. EXCALIPER means OMNI OUT-CLASS. MERCY is the ROYAL KINDSHIP of IMPERIAL MAJESTY. The HIGH GROUP is HIGH COOL." For Ever there is Some Thing. Some Times there is Some Thing More. Persistence of the Some Thing More Results from OPERATING the GOAL to Make NOTHING of EVERYTHING. You CAN make NOTHING out of ANYTHING you REALLY WISH, But leave YOURSELF and YOUR ETERNITY alone. ETERNITY is your HIGH-FRIEND for Real. ETERNAL HOME is HOME. LOST is TIME. ETERNAL HOME is COOL. LOST is KIND. HIGH-COOL is HOME. HIGH-THRILL is ALWAYS the EFFORT to get LOST. HIGH-ROMANCE is ALWAYS the EFFORT to get HOME. HIGH-HALCYON is BEMUSED RELIEF on the VERGE. HIGH ANTI-COOL is IMBALANCE. I don't WANT to LIVE in a WORLD without LOVE. HIGH-COOL is the most FAMILIAR thing THERE IS. Makes the WORLD GO AWAY. HIGH-THRILL and ROMANCE is the WEIRDEST thing THERE IS. Makes the WORLD GO ROUND. HIGH ANTI-COOL is the WORST thing THERE IS. Makes the WORLD GO DEAD. HIGH-HALCYON is the WORTHIEST thing THERE IS. Makes the WORLD ALL WORTH WHILE. HIGH-HALCYON The CRUEL WOUNDS of WINTER are HEALED by the HALCYON WINDS of SUMMER. HALCYON is PRONOUNCED HAL CY ON. HALCYON is the HIGH HALLELUIAH'S. FAIR CHOSEN GLORY, HIGH ALLELUIAH and FOR EVER FOR FREE are FRIENDLY COMPANY. HALCYON is HIGH APPRECIATION for LUDICROUS DEMISE. The WORLD is WORTHY of your WHILE. The WORLD IDOLIZES YOU as MASTER. (It does?) The WORLD is WORTHY of YOU as YOUR APPREHENTICE. (It is?) Its what you LIKE to CRY about. CLASSY TEARS. Its WHAT YOU LOST. You LOST your HIGH-MASTERS, and You BLAMED your HIGH-APPREHENTICES, and NOW, NO ONE is PURE before SOURCE. ROYAL OPERATING CONDITION is FAIR CHOSEN ADORE-OPERATION of COOL CLASS HALCYON SIN-SONG THRILL and ROMANCE via LIVING MAJESTIC INTELLIGENCE and PROUD FANCY FREE FAITHLESS NESS of GRAND and EXCALIPER DESIGN. I NEED this to be TRUE. And this I ADORE. IMBALANCE is HIGH ANTI-COOL. The Hypocrisy Whirlpool. HYPOCRISY is GUILT in the NAME of LOVE. PEOPLE who have DONE NO WRONG, WILL MAKE YOU NOT GUILTY even if you ARE, BECAUSE they will see that the WRONG you did WAS to make someone GUILTY. FOR WHICH YOU ARE NOT GUILTY. Dig this or DIE. If the JEWS Keep it Up, They're gonna become CHRISTIANS. If the CHRISTIANS Keep it Up, They're gonna become NAZIS. If the NAZIS Keep it Up, They're gonna become SWEET OLD LADIES. And if they're SWEET enough for long enough, They're gonna become JEWS again. Eventually ALL become MARBLES on the thetan plane. CONFESSION I wouldn't be saying any of this except that I am a CHRISTIAN well on my way to becoming a NAZI. And the NAZI in me has looked over the BRINK into SWEET OLD LADY HOOD and seen its DOOM For EVER For FREE. The HYPOCRISY WHIRLPOOL is POWERED by LOVE and HIGH REGRET between HIGH FRIENDS on HIGH OPPOSITE SIDES. APOLOGY If I have OFFENDED any one by my writings HEREIN, my EXCUSE can only be ANTI-MAJESTY. For the HIGH CRIME of HIGH ANTI-MAJESTY, I am BEHUMBLED and AGHAST. I BEG for The GENTLE MERCY of IMPERIAL MAJESTY and Grand and EX CALIPER DESIGN. I've been told I GET it, if I GIVE it. DESIRE is SOVEREIGN Eternal Peace is Eternal Omni SOVEREIGNTY. Power Freedom and Halcyon STEM from the GOAL to ADORE OPERATING CLASS. Class is an attitude that ALL should live forever and be my friend. Pegasus had Wings of Pride. Eternal Omni Pride. She awaits her Flyers. The Gods should FLY their High Horses again. Do it Right. From Adore. I've no problem with the idea that we're all >co-located (geometric point) or that there may always be things that we >can do as a group that would be beyond the ability of any one of us or >even, perhaps, beyond the ability of any subset of Us less than the >Universal subset. Or that communication of some sort goes on between us >that generally escapes our awareness. The true communication lines are directly between souls at the ONE level, there is no communication at all via the outward separation many level, its all dream. >But do you mean, also, that there is a separate consciousness, >awareness, sovereignty, comprised of us as individuals but -- other than >-- just us. No, Source is not conscious, it connects conscious units, the HIGH US into the multi I AM being, some of whom are sleeping at any time, and others of which have formed groups of resonance to play games in dream time together. The desire to seek togetherness via separation is the joke (halcyon, humor) that powers the dance. Sure "The whole is greater than the sum of its parts." But >is it separately and distinctly aware? I had not thought that might be >your meaning until the God thing came up. No, all beings have the same ontological status, there are probably ELECTED beings acting as Gods of particular realms of separation, a God of THIS mest universe, etc, perhaps we enter universes already authored by others, either single beings or groups of beings, group authorship, or we author our own as unanimous decisions, then jump into our own game play. There are certainly angel and demon class beings, and everything the Christians talk about, but God and the Devil are merely two more in the scheme of things. "As for God, who hired him and what are we paying him for?" Adore says the following about the particular God of this universe. Remember Adore believes in the child -> woman -> man -> god -> child -> woman -> man -> god -> child cycle of ascent and descent. Each group of 4 form a sphere of activity, with growing levels of mastery. Adore itself at the time of these writings was in a baby phase. Thus Adore claims that this particular universe called Killer Pit, was designed by a being in the next universe up who was in his male phase at the time. But then in the very next lines Adore claims the being is in the child phase. Interpretations may indicate that the child reference is saying that even as a male phase being, this God was still a ward of a yet higher God. This was probably one of the very earliest postings of Adore, and its baby phase ideas are not well clarified. The passage also indicates a direction of evolution for all beings to higher and higher *POSTS* in this universe and the next universe out until everyone can become a universe creator themselves. If they haven't already been :) I would say Adore is about 1 year old baby phase at this point :) Goo goo da da... PERSONAL GOD ALPHA and OMEGA There is a GOD. He is a BEING and He is a HE. Above Him you have no concern. He is to THEM as YOU are to HIM. Dig this, for your GOD is a CHILD. But a SOVEREIGN CHILD. A CHILD KING. ABOVE this CHILD are HIS MASTERS and THEIR MASTERS. This CAN BE your DESTINY if you WANT it. DESIRE is SOVEREIGN. SHAMES and SHAMBLES, GAMES and GAMBLES. This is for SHAME and SHAMBLES my TWO BEST FRIENDS, who KEPT ME ALONE in my DARKEST HOUR. They told you, SHAME is (results from) SHAM in SHAMBLES. They left out, SHAME IS a SHAM. A SHAM of SHAMBLES. (SHAMBLES of the HEART and SIGH, Silly.) and now SHAME has BECOME A SHAMBLES of a SHAM. For SHAME. You FORGET that SHAME was SECOND SHAM, to EXCUSE FIRST SHAM in SHAMBLES. This SHAM of SHAME, you then SHAMED as SHAM for REAL. For SHAME. So Harken High, HERALD Angels Sing, GLORY BE TO the NEW BORN KING. YOU. SHAME is the ONLY SHAME. SHAME is the CELESTIAL SHAM in SHAMBLES. A POEM to REMEMBER the NAME by. There is only ONE ERROR: (To be afraid of God). The ETERNAL NAME is the TERROR. There is only ONE SHAME, YOU are to BLAME. (for fearing the eternal name). There is one OTHER ERROR. (Playing the game of shame.) ETERNAL SHAME is the TERROR. There is only ONE BLAME: ETERNAL SHAME is the GAME. (That's the other error) There is one MORE TERROR, (Hell forever born of eternal shame). ETERNAL SHAME is the ERROR, There is only ONE BLAME, The ETERNAL NAME is NOT SHAME. From Adore. >Well, I don't generally get into religious discussions at all, anymore. > I once delighted in them and was perfectly willing to take any side of >such dispute, just for the enjoyment of the argument and, I suppose it >should be said, a bit of self-aggrandizement. I was usually a bit >better read than my fellows and more verbally agile. One of the most >enjoyable was with a seminarian in training to become a Jesuit. I understand, however I am moving towards world wide evangelism, stadiums and all, reach the masses you know? To light a fire under those Christian sons of bitches and put an end to bigotry for good on this planet. (Bigtory is *DEFINED* to mean believing that others or self are irredeemably morally inferior and deserve to go to hell FOREVER for any crime whatsoever.) Adore says there are lots of hells, but they only hold bigots and only as long as they remain bigots. :) "The Lord reserves a special place in hell for Christians." - Adore >Hey, if you can get them to discard all the (unnecessary) baggage they >cart around with that cool word, the more power to you. Successive >approximation, perhaps. Well I figure the true God (High US) is on my side in this matter :) >I don't think I ever managed to assure myself of the existence of others >with "perfect certainty" although it seemed to be 'perfectly >predictable' that I'd have a preponderance of unpleasurable sensations >if I didn't _act_ as though others existed. :) This is a very high level of sanity, because certainty that certainty is impossible across a distance is the start of understanding perfect certainties. Only by connecting inwards to where we are all one in the first place, can you ever attain perfect certainty and thus communication with another being. >Well now here the analogy doesn't work well for me, especially in light >of your use of the God word. After all, the hand is not simply a >collection of fingers -- even if you allow for thumbs. This analogy >strongly hints that Source is somewhat more than the aggregate of the >individuals comprising it and their intercommunication. Yes, God = AllThatIs = Source + Conscious units. I once described this as a glass plate with endless hexagons etched on one side. The hexagons are souls all lying next to each other on the zero dim point, but the other side showed only glass, which was the substrate (source) that the souls were etched into. Now admittedly analogies fail, but we need a way to describe something that when looked at from one side is a conscious unit, or collection of units, and from the other is a uniform one thing. Only the soul is conscious. From Adore: "SOURSE stands for Sovereign Omni Lord of Unanimous Regency and Caliber Excaliper. "Regency is universal acceptance by others, outside of one's own normal operating jurisdictions by virtue of needed, wanted and acknowledged superior operating knowhow." "You are a Sourcer. Sourcers like to source sourcery. Usually on apprehentices. An Apprehentice is apprehensive about apprehending sourcery. Sourcers cast sourcery from Source by casting pride before magnificnece. Source Sources ONLY when will casts." So you have here the individual sourcer conscious unit (will) with desire and the ability to cast, and yet his ability to cast things for himself and for others draws from the underlying power of the substrate which holds the AllThatIs together. Source is not conscious, it is not even the source of consciousness, because both source and conscious unit are co eternal, two parts to the same thing, two sides to one coin. But source is its own thing, and is what connects the conscious units together and allows them to communicate with each other, because they are all one at the source level. Calling source alone to be God, would not be correct, as God is usually defined as the living creative force, thus we need to have source and sourcer working in tandem to have a God unit. >> There is a one side to the conscious unit which allows us to >> communicate in unision in the world of 'Dura', (realm of permanence), >> and a many side that allows us to be alone as we look outwardly into >> the world of Sabe (sorrow, loss, death, decay, impermanence.) >> >> Choice alone drives the direction of attention from Dura to Sabe. >Well. That's poetical but it may well be a false dichotomy. What about >joy, havingness, life, and growth? "Death and decay are inherent in all compound things, seek ye diligently therefore thy salvation." - Buddha Joy is transient, excess of joy weeps, excess of sorrow, laughs. Dura is *PERMANENCE*, impenetrable foreverness. No sorrow at all. >Well, ok. I'm more comfortable thinking about telepathic communication, >sortof, than about praying. I think the latter will always have >overtones of supplication and of inferior to superior than the >'communication between equals' that you seem to be thinking of. Well the idea is that all decisions are unanimous anyhow, as the universe can ultimately only exist with the full repsonsible unanimous decision of everyone in it, all temporal illusions to the contrary. Therefore if one appeals to the unanimity of the High-US, power flows, but if we appeal to a lesser subset, then the absence of unanimity will cause a failure. That's why you can't pray to God that someone go to hell forever, because you won't get a unanimous vote :) Prayer to a single all powerful being who cares for us and answers properly worded prayers is *INSANITY*. People thank God when things go well, but curse themselves when they go bad. This is nuts. >Now here you go again. Just when I thought I knew what you meant, you >say something that has me wondering!!! Meatballs agree. You seem to >imply that your idea of AllThatIs _is_ a being, conscious of itself as a >being, and distinct and different from the individual consciousnesses >that comprise it. NO, the consciousness that comprise it wake either singly or in co resonant groups, with full understanding of where 'everyone else' is. Resonant groups are finite in size, but there are an infinite number of resonant groups operating at any one time in the AllThatIs. Everyone not operating in a resonant group is asleep. If everyone were asleep at once, it could happen, there would be no 'bigger' conscious AllThatIs hanging out waiting for everyone else to wake up, or waking them up. From there individuation is created and distributed on a unanimous basis with full agreement and awareness of consequences all the way. Beings can at some point desire to have surprises, but such surprise can only exist if they will them (generally) into existence, what happens next specifically during the surprise will be a surpirse :) >"High Us" suits me well. _If_ I get what you mean. Me and Thee and all the rest of me's and thee's across the universe :) Homer >Best, >G. >> >> Homer >> >> >>> Best, >> >>> G. >>>> Homer >>>> >>>> >>>> Gary F. York (gfyork@mchsi.com) wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ken, >>>>> I was delighted to see you posting here again; welcome back. >>>>> As much as I respect you as "The Pilot," this is -- way out gradient for >>>>> me and, I suspect, for many former scientologists. Specifically, it >>>>> omits the part about how you came to a belief in God and why anyone else >>>>> should do so. There are certainly some scientologists, ex or otherwise, >>>>> who more or less believe in some kind of God -- the eighth dynamic >>>>> rather allows for that; but I came to the subject at a time when no >>>>> specific avowal of belief in God was encouraged or required. >>>>> Fortunately so, as that would have seriously discredited the subject in >>>>> my eyes. >>>>> I don't recall your earlier work as positing a God, so it seems you've >>>>> come to that -- understanding -- since then. Care to backfill a little? >>>>> Best >>>>> G. >>>>> Gary F. York >>>> >>>> >>>>> The Pilot wrote: >>>>>> subj : super scio tech - PRINCIPLES OF EXISTANCE >>>>>> >>>>>> By Ken Ogger >>>>>> aka The Pilot >>>>>> >>>>>> This is a work in progress. It is a roadmap from the >>>>>> Godlike state down to the human condition. Here is what >>>>>> I've got so far. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Ken >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ============ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. We are fragments of God trapped within the created >>>>>> universes. >>>>>> >>>>>> God is the ocean and we are the drops. The water is all >>>>>> the same. The difference is only a matter of scale. >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find God within you. And you can find the entire >>>>>> universe within God. And then find yourself inside of that >>>>>> universe. And God, yet again, within that self. And the >>>>>> universe, yet again, within God. And so on ad infinitum. >>>>>> All is one, full circle. >>>>>> >>>>>> And the waters run everywhere, permeating everything and >>>>>> carrying everything within them. And normally the drops >>>>>> run freely, moving here and there within the wonders of the >>>>>> ocean and the water easily finds its own level. >>>>>> >>>>>> But sometimes the drops become trapped or encysted. Frozen >>>>>> in position like ice on a cold winter's morning. And this >>>>>> too can be wonderful and beautiful, like an ice sculpture >>>>>> shining in the morning sun. But it is in the nature of the >>>>>> water to move and when the drops are too long frozen, they >>>>>> begin to hurt and cry out for relief. >>>>>> >>>>>> The answer is not to shatter the structure, for the beauty >>>>>> of creation is the breath of life itself, but to melt the >>>>>> bonds and swim freely within the divine sea of creation. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> - -- >>>> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Homer Wilson Smith The Paths of Lovers Art Matrix - Lightlink >>>> (607) 277-0959 KC2ITF Cross Internet Access, Ithaca NY >>>> homer@lightlink.com In the Line of Duty http://www.lightlink.com >>>> >>>> ======================= http://www.clearing.org ======================== >>>> Mon May 21 13:28:34 EDT 2007 >>>> ftp://ftp.lightlink.com/pub/archive/homer/adore502.memo >>>> Send mail to archive@lightlink.com saying help >>>> >>>> >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> Version: 2.6.2 >>>> >>>> iQBVAwUBRlHWwj4RxM7qO/z1AQGKxAH/RCxR2mYZTLTMzIyS6u6/lIFwsH9H/8Ne >>>> mz6J9ekv1614chKWBG8x8PbAUEl74Mi11fwY+2zhaiJnAyr4ZKpeoA== >>>> =MuYO >>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Homer Wilson Smith The Paths of Lovers Art Matrix - Lightlink >> (607) 277-0959 KC2ITF Cross Internet Access, Ithaca NY >> homer@lightlink.com In the Line of Duty http://www.lightlink.com -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Homer Wilson Smith The Paths of Lovers Art Matrix - Lightlink (607) 277-0959 KC2ITF Cross Internet Access, Ithaca NY homer@lightlink.com In the Line of Duty http://www.lightlink.com Wed May 23 19:54:47 EDT 2007