A BET IS A BELIEF > You said: "Belief is for losers" and "we condemn belief", yet you > believe in Super Powers and anything supposedly (and unproved!) going > with it!? Those that confuse evidence with proof are unworthy of further discussion. You assume that super powers are unevidenced to me. My official public position, is that it is a good bet that the world is a dream, and thus the existence of super powers is probably self obvious. No belief, just rational bets based on a life time of experience and evidences of all kinds, some merely hearsay, some not so hearsay. Even if it were ALL hearsay, *MY* bet stands at 51/49 for super powers. Back in the days when I was a mortal meatball, the bet was 0/100 against. But the proof changed all that and the bet came up to 50/50. Its been a hard battle against pain, sorrow, and incredulity to bring it up to a fragile 51/49 for super powers the basic one of course being personal responsibility for choosing to be here. If you wish to consider that a bet is a belief in a fair chosen probability, then fine, yes they are beliefs, but the definition of belief being referred to by Adore in the quote above, is more sinister, more like the blind faith that some people have in various things. That is hope turned into conviction. Personally I can see the argument that a bet is a belief is a bet is a belief. So yeah we all have our bets, and thus we all have our beliefs. But Adore's point, as unrealistic as it is, is that a good scientist doesn't confuse his bets with his perfect certainties, and thus one always needs to seek the perfect certainty in any quest for true knowledge. Even if someone were to move the marble for you, you still wouldn't have a perfect certainty that the event even happened, let alone that it happened by the methods claimed, let alone that YOU could have such power, let alone that they were safe for anyone to have. Over time you would start wondering about the reality or existence of EVERYTHING. Those that can not present a finely tuned prime directive on the matter of the existence and use of super powers won't even be allowed into the conclaves of research going on. So write up your version of a workable prime directive with full explanations of why and wherefore, and hand it in as a resume, and they might invite you in. Such a resume would involve a detailed discussion of what evidence you have for and against such powers, and what you would do with them if you had them, and what the consequences of those actions would be. Really its not that hard, if you demonstrate more than the intelligence of a pig, they will probably let you in. True certainty of eternality comes from direct perception of eternality. Others can always wonder and doubt, but just as you can be certain that you exist, you can also be certain that space and time are illusions and that you CHOSE to enter. Perfect certainty of choice is problematic and a big deal, not to be belittled. But anyhow most people haven't had that experience, many still wonder if they exist themselves, for these it will be a while before the facility of perfect certainty gets put to use. "I wonder if I am, therefore I am, for a nothing could not wonder whether it was a nothing or a something." - Philosophocles, ca. 0 BT (before time). Homer - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Homer Wilson Smith The Paths of Lovers Art Matrix - Lightlink (607) 277-0959 KC2ITF Cross Internet Access, Ithaca NY homer@lightlink.com In the Line of Duty http://www.lightlink.com Fri Nov 5 14:28:27 EDT 2010 ================ http://www.clearing.org ==================== Sat Jan 9 12:06:01 EST 2016 WEB: http://www.clearing.org BLOG: http://adoretheproof.blogspot.org FTP: ftp://ftp.lightlink.com/pub/archive/homer/adore813.memo Send mail to archive@lightlink.com saying help in body =========== http://www.lightlink.com/theproof =============== Learning implies Learning with Certainty or Learning without Certainty. Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect. Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty. Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning, but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFWkT36URT1lqxE3HERAkYIAJwOJ7hSeiqqilOeCw/495sIuO/grgCdHzPA En9spe37fL5ujudKPWj2MS8= =enBw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Sat Jan 9 15:34:34 EST 2016