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Date:         Wed, 19 Apr 89 19:54:53 EDT
From:         "Homer W. Smith" 
Subject:      Re: and now for some ivy logs
To:           Adore-l list 
In-Reply-To:  Message of Wed, 5 Apr 89 12:43:41 EST from 

>>>     I exist.  I am certain I exist.  I am right about being
>>>certain I exist.
>A rose is a rose is a rose. But is the I who exists the same I that is
>certain and the same I which is right? What happens to those while you're
>sleeping without dreams? Do you exist when you're not there to say that
>you exist (and that you're certain, and all the associated hypnopompa?).

     Of course I exist during sleep, dreams or no.

     CONSCIOUSNESS is not a prerequisite of EXISTANCE.
     EXISTANCE is a prerequisite of CONSCIOUSNESS.

     Of course if I had never been conscious, I would never
have KNOWN I exist.  But I exist even if I do not know that I exist.

     Hell, there are people who are
conscious all day long and STILL don't know they exist.

>>>     So absolutes exist, if they don't, that also is an absolute which exists.
>Word trap.

     Of COURSE it is a word trap.  It is a contradiction in terms
to say that absolutes absolutely do not exist.
I am merely pointing out the foolishness of such a position.

 Homer W. Smith      Adore-l list         4/19/89*and now for some ivy logs