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Date:         Tue, 20 Jun 89 19:09:09 EDT
From:         Homer 
Subject:      Re: responsibility and glory
To:           Adore-l list 
In-Reply-To:  Message of Tue, 20 Jun 89 12:16:00 CST from <86730@LAWRENCE>

>Homer writes:
>>     Don, people need a sense of GLORY.  If there is to be no GLORY
>>in fighting the bad guy and dying to protect your mother and her
>>pies, then where in is the GLORY to be found?
>        Maybe the glory could be found in the challenge of
>discovering something greater than war and working with more nobler
>>     Yeah I know, all you mother lovers out there, it is not
>>all the mother's fault, but I say all it takes is a good mother
>>to fix it.  The mother is in control of her sons outlook about war.
>>     If she does nothing, he will develope along the usual lines.
>>If she teaches the son that he should 'do his duty', he will get the
>>idea that doing his duty is the highest thing he can do, and
>>will be disappointed if there is no war to show off to his mother
>>how he is doing his duty.
>>    More consideration of the mother factor here would go a long
>>way to ensuring an age of peace.
>        Somehow I tend to doubt this statement.
>        Parents have some control over their own children, but there
>comes a point when the children have to be responsible for
>themselves.  I thought that's part of what ADORE was all about--
>self responsibility and not blaming others for your own problems.
>                                --Bill (86730@Lawrence.Bitnet)
>        Of course, I could be rationalizing...

    Yes but we can be responsible for others too, they are part
of our condition.  It is a part of my condition that others
are making war.  Thus it behoves ME to do something about them.
Blaming them is saying I can do nothing.  Taking responsibility
is saying I can do something about them starting wars.

     Don, the moderator of DISARM believes we can re educate
our children into the badness of war and away from the glory
of war.  I would like to see this done as I find the pushing
of war as glorious to be obscene.

     But we have a long way to go, because to claim that future
wars are bad, is to claim that past wars are bad, and except
for Vietnam, I just don't see the public buying this or allowing
others to teach this to their children.  No way.

     Of course it is always easier to think of future wars as bad
and past wars as glorious or at least justified.  I fall for this.
so I think he has his work cut out for him.

 Homer               Adore-l list         6/20/89*responsibility and glory