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Date:         Fri, 14 Jul 89 21:06:34 EDT
From:         Homer 
Subject:      Re: speculation
To:           Adore-l list ,
In-Reply-To:  Message of Fri, 14 Jul 89 20:44:48 EDT from 

>Homer writes:
>> Subject: speculation
>|      The existance of the physical universe is SPECULATION and in fact
>| it is easy to prove that you CANT prove it is there.
>|      Thus there is no way to know if the physical universe exists
>| if it does.
>|      However if it does NOT exist as I claim, that CAN be proven,
>| and should be in good time.
>|      You can never prove you are going to die.  You can only
>| prove you will live forever.
>|      If you are going to die, you will never know it.
>|      If you are not going to die, you can know it and will.
>>-- End of excerpt from Homer
>All of this is doublethink... flying in the face of even the
>grammatical truths that allow us to communicate.

     Probably you did not understand what was written.

     I will say it again, you can PROVE that you can NOT PROVE
that the external universe exists.

     That is not double think, and surely is not beyond your
fine tuned mental capacity to deal with the multiple negatives.

>I might suggest reading a little real philosophy to you people, but it
>would be lost on you all I think.

     This is a wide ranging insult directed at the whole list,
and is totally uncalled for only because you have no idea what the
other people on this list think about my postings.  It is very
possible they are all like you and think I am a total blithering
idiot.  In which case you just lost a lot of friends.

     Insulting people because by association they must be as
stupid as I, is a pretty dumb move.
     Norm, this is known in ADORE-Lese as 0% content.

     You have criticized a postings without saying one word
of intelligence to counter it or show exactly what is wrong.

     My posting is NOT double think, and in fact should be
logically perfect.  If anyone wishes to take exception to it
they should take which line they think is false and show it to
be false.

     Of COURSE you can never know if you or anyone dies.

     We know BODIES die, but we can not even prove that other
people exist, they may all be our dream, so how can we prove
that they have died with their body.  Their spirit, IF there was
one in the body, may be doing just fine.

     Once WE die, IF we die, we wont be around to know it, and before
we die, we can never be sure we are really dying or just going
unconscious for a while.

     Thus I submit it is impossible to know that you die.

     Only possible to prove that you live.

 Homer               Adore-l list         7/14/89*speculation