Michael ( wrote:

>And then I imagine going up in a helecopter and looking down on a city do I 
>see anything really that different from the ants nest.
>We have choice, someone may say, Do we really have choice, I have read 
>somewhere that it is impossible to work out if we have free will or not, 
>many Philosophers have tried to work on that one.
>Maybe there is a delay in the mind which gives a person the impression there 
>is free will.

     OK, here is Adore's answer to free will.

     Nothing can be free of its own nature.

     Free in the sense of undetermined by ANYTHING would lead to random
activity which would be worse than evil, as there are more ways to harm
than to help.

     However the will is not undetermined by anything but is in fact
bound by its desires, both its created desires and its fundamental

     Freedom then is measured by whether a will is able to do what it
wants to do.  If you are in a room and you desire to leave, but the door
is locked, you are not free.  If the door opens and you can leave, then
your will is free to do what it wants on that particular matter.

     The fact that you desired to leave the room in the first place
however absolute, the will is still determined by that desire.

     The general equation is then that


     What the will does is a function of what it wants and what it knows
about how to get what it wants.

     The question arises can a will changes its own desires?

     Only if it desires to :) So superficially yes, but ultimately no,
it is always ruled by its ruling desires.  which can not be changed,
created nor destroyed, only rendered operable and unoperable during its
manifest and unmanifest cycles.

     A will however can do things and originate desires that are NOT a
function of its past in space time, thus it can make prime postulates
and actions that can not be traced to prior determinism IN SPACE TIME.
But anything the will does can always be traced to its true nature.

     Thus an undetermined will is not desirable.

     A will that is state determined in the physical universe is a game
condition and is desirable as long as the will is happy being a stimulus
response machine.  Most people are that way most of the time, and
civilization grows just nicely.

     They are playing a game of life just like the computer game called

     A will that is not state determined but can produce large
quantities of prime postulates is even better, but this is OT and an OT
is as likely to postulate downwards as upwards.  That is what OT is and
does, how do you think you got here?

     A will that can do what it wants is happy and as free as free comes
in that sense only.


Sat Mar 24 01:49:47 EDT 2007