DREAMBALLS AND MEATBALLS AGAIN Dreamballs know that meatballs exist, but it would seem that meatballs have no idea that dreamballs are walking among them. A dreamball is someone who believes that the world is a dream. A dream is when you see something in your consciousness but there is no external actuality to match it. Dreams are hallucinations of a sort, so is imagination except one knows one is doing it, but in both cases there is a conscious experience with out an external referent. So a dreamball believes that the world is a dream now, a co dream among many dreamers dreaming together about an external space and time that doesn't actually exist, it just isn't out there. It never has been, and never will be, because it CAN'T BE. Existence is zero dimensional, not multidimendional, there just is no room for space and time :) Dreams of space and time however do not take up any space or time, so they can fit. Thus when you are 'walking down the street' you aren't actually going anywhere, you are re rendering the universe around you to make it look like you are moving and everything is still. So when you are asleep at night, and you see an apple, you think ah there is an apple. If you are hungry in the dream you eat the apple, and it tastes and feels just fine, and the hunger goes away. But there is no actual apple, only a dream apple and dream hunger. Why does eating the apple make the hunger go away? Because the dreamer has set it up that way, knowingly or unknowingly, he could have just as easily made the hunger go away without eating anything. Ever run out of gas in a dream car and the car won't go? Then with a little muster, you make the car go without gas? What are you doing moving around in a car, why not just be where you want to be? Here is where the meatball says "Yeah sure, but that is just a dream!" Well the waking state is just a dream too, except it is a bit more involved. In the first place it is usually pretty easy to wake up out of sleep dream, but have you ever wanted to stay IN a sleep dream but couldn't, you kept waking up. Remember how annoying that was? So this dream is designed to make sure you can't wake up out of it, mostly through the mechanism of pain and hunger. In this dream you do not have the ability to just make hunger go away, and you HAVE to eat the apple to do so. We can ask why and the meatball will say because the waking state has actual causation taking place out there where the apple and your body are. The sleep dream doesn't have those causations, because in the sleep dream there IS no out there, even though it might look like there is. Hunger is our greatest evidence that in the waking state, there is an actual OUT THERE, which has real causation over our consciousness. In the sleep dream, our consciousness has causation over the illusory out there, but in the waking state, the actual out there has causation over our consciousness. This makes the illusion very strong that we ARE our body, and that our consciousness is a process in the brain. Clearly our consciousness can not be a process in anything we are dreaming, imagining, or hallucinating, because we had to be conscious FIRST BEFORE we could dream, imagine or hallucinate something. But we believe strongly that our body existed before we became conscious as a child, and we believe that no matter how hard we try, we can not over come our hunger without eating, and that is 'because' our body is actual and out there, and so is it's hunger, and so we need something else that is out there and actual, namely food, to appease that hunger. We have all tried and failed utterly to appease hunger with mere imaginings, or to appease it directly, and having failed, we KNOW there is something bigger than us, something that is making us, that our very existence AS A CONSCIOUSNESS depends upon that is not itself just our consciousness. And we assign that something to the body and the out there world that our consciousness shows us. But we haven't done good science in the matter. And here is where the vested person becomes a problem to us, because he demands proof that the world is a dream, but he can't even prove to himself that other's exist. All peers are unpeer reviewed. His vestment shows not only in the virulence with which he attacks dreamballs, but in his in ability to simply admit that the dreamball theory is MORE DESIRABLE than the meatball theory. You would rather be God become Soul, than an incipient carrion dweller would you not? But the vested meatball will not admit that the dreamball theory is more desirable, and thus you can not get him to make an honest investigation into the possibility it might be true. He will instead grab the first piece of anything that indicates that the dreamball theory can't be true, and say 'See I told you so, you dream balls are all delusional, I don't have to bother with you any more.' Well that is him and his eternal future he isn't bothering with any more, you see? And anyhow it is the meatball who has fallen into delusion about illusion, he now believes that because he SEES space there must BE space. Illusion of space and time and external causation have become actual for him. This is "Apparencies are actuality" on the tone scale at 26.0. So dreamballs need to be alert to this charade and not go PTS to it. The vested meatball SAYS he wants to know the truth, in fact he doesn't. It is a long hard road out of this dream to the next one up, most people making it only by dying. This dream was designed this way by messing with your sense of causation until you believed with all your body, heart, mind and soul, that causation lies OUT THERE, and IT MADE YOU and IT WILL UNMAKE YOU if you don't eat, take care of your body or breath. Try to not breath for a while, and see how far you get. Try to not eat for a while, or not sleep. Eating however is special, because breathing and finding shelter is generally pretty easy, but eating is hard work. Thus much of the resentment against life as a meatball is eating or being eaten. Thus it is with hunger, rather than sleep, breathing, and shelter, that the strongest mechanism was laid in that convinced you that you are a made being, made by something outside of your consciousness, that has more cuase than you do, and in fact any cause you think you have is an illusion given to you by your brain which has all the actual cause. as a state determined machine, that like falling dominoes, can only go where it can only go. This was all designed (by you) so you would give up thinking about waking up, so you could stay here. The price tag was mortality. And for those who haven't had time enough for love, mortality is a bottomless sea of endless sorrow. So you paid a pretty penny to be here on the ball floor of hell with your friends. Most religions try to give people some kind of faith, faith in this sense is that inbetween place where a person continues to believe all the stuff about external cause, so he won't wake up, but nonetheless believes that when he dies he will continue to exist. It just doesn't make any sense that you could BE a brain and continue to exist after the brain is dust in the wind. It also doesn't make any sense that a being's consciousness could be interfaced with a brain during life, and then de interfaced after death. Thus the person's mind shuts down on the matter, but he manages to stay in the dream and yet look forward to something after the dream is over. What we are trying to do here, is to get the person to at least consider that he is dreaming, the first sparks of lucidity that he is not a brain, that the brain and its shenanigans are just dream stuff, so that he can understand why and how he will exist after the dream ends. That way his mind doesn't need to shut down and he can continue to be an intelligent being looking forward to a beautiful and desirable eternity again. Eternity is when the dream of time ends. Homer ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Homer Wilson Smith The Paths of Lovers Art Matrix - Lightlink (607) 277-0959 KC2ITF Cross Internet Access, Ithaca NY homer@lightlink.com In the Line of Duty http://www.lightlink.com Tue Jan 26 21:07:33 EST 2010