SOLIPSISM Solipsism is the philosophical stance that all we can know for sure is our consciousness and what we see in it as experience, not as implied external objective objects which may or may not be out there. In alt.clearing.technology Jommy Cross wrote: >> So a dreamball believes that the world is a dream now, a co dream >>among many dreamers dreaming together about an external space and time >>that doesn't actually exist, it just isn't out there. It never has >>been, and never will be, because it CAN'T BE. > > Writing it in all caps doesn't make it any less solipsist. It's not clear > why you think it CAN'T BE? It is solipsism, what's the problem Sir? > Who put the fixed stars where they are in the sky? Who agreed they'd go > there? There are no stars, no space, no time just renditions of these things in the render zone of our consciousness. We put those there. Computer artistry every bit of it. When and why is lost in history to us, we wanted to be creature, so have lost contact with being creator. What is the problem? > I simply admit the dreamball theory is more desirable. Alas, passing a law > to make the value of pi precisely 3.0, while desirable for a lot of > reasons, really doesn't work. Passing a law that says that the physical universe is not a dream doesn't work ether. Either it is a dream or it isn't. Either it is ACTUALLY out there, or it is only a virtual projection in our minds, a picture of being out there. Evidence please, for the existence of the physical universe. I can't give evidence of the non existence of something. It is up to you to give evidence of the existence of the physical universe that would pass scientific muster. > The theory that I'm God become Soul seems independent of the theory that > the waking world (reality) is a dream, imho. > What prevents the God of which I was theoretically part building an > objective reality before becoming all those Souls? Very intelligent question, and it is in fact called the hybrid theory between dreamball and meatball. I accept its possibility, as long as one does not then say that consciousness is a process in the brain, as consciousness created the brain. I would however accept that consciousness, which created the brain long ago was INTERFACED with the brain in such a way as to receive physical data from it. The hybrid theory philosophically depends on the idea that something which was not space and time could nonetheless create space and time and put objects in it. The pure dreamball theory says that consciousness exists as a zero dimensional scalar entity, and that it operates by creating images in its consciousness that render likenesses of space and time and objects, which do not take up space or time themselves, because consciousness does not change its spaceless timeless form to create images of space and time. Consciousness can dream of space and time and it can believe it is not dreaming, that is about it. Consciousness dreams things that it is not. Source sources what Source is not. Thus everything created is the opposite of the nature of the creator. > Why does reality being a dream make me part of a God? If there is no space or time between beings, then all beings are on the same zero dimensional scalar 'point'. I hate to call it a point because people confuse a scalar point with a 0x0x0 3 dimensional point which is a nothing. Since all beings are on the same point by definition of there being no actual space and time, they must in some sense be all there is, and at root they are all one, and the the same object. Incarnation is the process by which the One manifests as the Many. It's like the God side of each being is the same substrate, which is the One that allows co communication between beings, and the Soul side of each being is an individual operating Source. Since all beings are on the same point, something must be connecting them so they can dream the same dream and communicate in sync, resonance or unison with each other, otherwise everyone one would be dreaming alone. So we call that one thing the One or the AllThatIs, of which there can only be one of them. Space and time are separators, they put the apparency of separation between things and make them two or more different objects. The absence of dimensionality does not produce a nothing, it produces a scalar, which has no separation inside itself or outside itself, as there is no outside to have another scalar. It is a conscious entity of some sort that can in apparency only separate out many conscious subunits that can take on the apparency of individuality. This multi I-AM being then we call God for lack of a better word. It fits the bill, as creator, author, intelligent, sentient, except that rather than being one being that 'creates' all other beings, this God is a multi being that creates illusion in itself of being created for its own enjoyment. > Why is reality about desire? See pi = 3 above. Desire needs to be unbiased in the investigation of the problem. When the square root of 2 was first proved to be irrational, those who knew had a hell of a time getting those vested in rational numbers to look at the problem, admit it was there, and actively pursue the proof themselves. They became Prove It! cases, rather than trying to prove it themselves. If the physical universe exists, there is no possible way for anyone to prove it by merely using their consciousness of it, you can not prove that A exists by looking at A through B. However if the world is a dream, it should be relatively easy to demonstrate the truth of your choices in creating the world and choosing to forget doing so and why. We can suggest a path towards that end, based on the way in is the way out, and we can help in the matter with guiding style auditing. At which point the actuality of the unprovable physical universe falls away as ludicrous. We believe in its actuality only because we wanted to, not because of any actual evidence for its existence. The vested interest case expects us to prove to him that the world is a dream, when he hasn't proven to himself that we even exist, nor that the alleged physical universe exists as more than a shared co dream. No one can prove that to another, only to themselves. If one created something, and chose to forget having created it, the way to undo that is to practice making choices and forgetting them, until you get in sync with the big one. All he really knows is that he exists, and that is the first step towards wisdom. A conscious unit can not prove the existence of anything represented in the dream including the existence of other conscious units, using only the images in his consciousness to do it, or the pretended objects in space time that he thinks they represent. In other words anything you are conscious-of in the outside world is useless to prove that the outside world exists, or that anyone else but you exists. And that is solipsism. And a conscious unit can only prove its own existence through self luminous self awareness. Conscious units can only become certain of each other, via the inward mechanism that connects units at the scalar/static level, where in he can see the oneness and the manyness of everyone at the same time. and the on going choice to engage in illusions of space and time, from a scalar source. Once he sees that, all questions of whether or not kinetics, space and time, are illusions fall away as self obvious. As for desire, since the conscious unit created the kinetic illusion, it must have come from his or someone's desire, and therefore the illusion is as he wanted it to be no matter how much he protests it now after the fact, he had to want that protest also. >> He will instead grab the first piece of anything that indicates >>that the dreamball theory can't be true, and say 'See I told you so, you >>dream balls are all delusional, I don't have to bother with you any >>more.' > > Sweet Elvis, here I am bothering and what thanks do I get? I'm a > "meatball", "carrion", a "hyena", a "basher". > > You guys have some serious aggression issues you need to address, imho. Uh, sorry it is the meatballs who told me I belong in a straight jacket because I believe in OT powers. Anyhow may respect for you will go up, if you respond intelligently to the above. But admit it, a mortal meatball is an incipient carrion dweller, no way around it. I am not asking that anyone AGREE with the dreamball theory, only to understand it thoroughly and to admit they really don't know which theory is true or not, dreamball or meatball. Homer > Incident zero: Ron trolled you > > Ever yours in fandom, > Jommy Cross > > --------------------------------------------------- > This message brought to you by Radio Free Albemuth: > before you hallucinate > -------------------------------------------------- > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Homer Wilson Smith The Paths of Lovers Art Matrix - Lightlink (607) 277-0959 KC2ITF Cross Internet Access, Ithaca NY homer@lightlink.com In the Line of Duty http://www.lightlink.com Wed Jan 27 23:29:37 EST 2010