Levi Murphy ( wrote:
>I disagree, as I deem it totally possible for one to be totally
>certain of something that is completly wrong. Heres my proof.

Homer Wilson Smith ( wrote:
     "It is possible to be certain of something that is wrong!"
     "Are you certain?"
     "Then could you be wrong?"
     "Then you are not certain?"

     Certainty = Uncertainty.


>Homer and I are both certain that we are right in this matter.
>Our positions contradict each other.

     You *ASSERT* that you are certain, that does not mean that you are

     You may think you are certain, believe you are certain, but you are
not in fact certain.

     Part of the problem with certainty is people do not have a perfect
standard of certainty, to compare their certainties against, thus they
fall into using knowing by emoting or effort or some such nonsense.

     Once a person has a *PERFECT* standard of certainty, one that CAN
NOT BE WRONG, then all the things they 'are certain of' can be compared,
in their certainty, against the perfect standard of certainty, and most
of them they will see fall short of perfect certainty.
     What they 'thought, believed, or felt' they were certain of was really
an imposter of true certainty.  They also realize that merely by looking
at such imposters of certainty, they can ALWAYS TELL that they are
imposters.  Thus a person can only be certain of a TRUE certainty, and
all the rest can be told to be imposters IF the person will give it a
proper look.

     People who hold to certainties of things that are false, actually
have an ethics problem, their personal *INTEGRITY* is out, its a matter
of WILLINGNESS, not a matter of simple mistake.

     At one time they knew they were shamming, now it has become the

     Listing for false certainties and running them leads to a state of
perfect certainty and a standard of certainty that is always correct.
Personal integrity comes back in, and the person is no longer claiming
to himself or others to be sure of things that are false.
     Once the false certainties are gone, and the perfect standard of
certainty is in place, the being's mind is then open again to receive
information and data about worlds not before open to him.

     Those that believe the PU exists, CAN NOT see the 7th dynamic.

>Therefore, one of us  is COMPLETLY WRONG,  and one of us is right as
>two contray facts cannot coexist.
>Therefore, one of us is COMPLETLY WRONG and CERTAIN that we are right,
>at the same time. 

     Yeah you, you are wrong that you are certain, and you are wrong
that you are certain that you are certain.  You are merely claiming to
yourself to be certain.  Its an out integrity.

>In this case, it would be true to say "even if I am wrong I am right"
>because if Homer proves me wrong he proved that I am certain of
>something and yet wrong about it. 

     Carol you haven't a *CLUE* what perfect certainty is, that which
can not be wrong.  You are a loud proclaimer of certainties, but no
actual certainty in sight.

     When you can tell me a perfect certainty that you know is right,
and CAN NOT BE WRONG UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, then you will see that I
am right that it is quite impossible to be ACTUALLY CERTAIN of something
that is false.